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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing 12:41 - Dec 1 with 4131 viewsMrSwerve

2 points from 4 games, 8th position, two points off the scum and TEN points off Leeds who are top. Amazing how quickly it has changed. I guess it can just as quickly change for the better, but Cooper really needs to try and turn this bad rut around ASAP.

Well, it was nice while it lasted.

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 12:45 - Dec 1 with 2571 viewsFireboy2

Its only going to get worse unfortunately.

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 12:56 - Dec 1 with 2562 viewspembsjack

Our great start gave us all false hope for the season. Pre-season, most would have accepted mid-table was a decent finish with this squad. In all honesty, we've played poorly most of the season so far apart from 2 or games.
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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 13:48 - Dec 1 with 2488 viewsraynor94

We most probably will be behind them before we kick a ball again

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 14:11 - Dec 1 with 2445 viewsairedale

Aye, we’re all doomed laddy.
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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 14:31 - Dec 1 with 2408 viewsswancity

With owners with no ambition and who lack interest in strengthening the team until players leave and only then on the proviso that any dealings show a net profit is anyone really surprised that the results have been poor.
Anything involving a finish of 12th or above will represent a highly satisfactory season whilst the January transfer window remains a concern in terms of some influential players going and not being replaced (adequately)
Meanwhile chaps it won’t take much to be dragged into the bottom half of the table as that is where I see us in the (near) future given the owners desire to cut costs further including high salaries.
Results overall this season have exceeded expectation. There has been talk of the play offs when in reality most of know that the squad isn’t good enough for that in too many areas.
I make no apologies for the seemingly negative comments. It’s called reality.

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 14:39 - Dec 1 with 2405 viewsmonmouth

Lets see what's what at halfway. Must admit my hopes when we were rolling along a while back were for 40 points after 23 and it looked relatively straightforward with the games we had left. That looks really hollow to the point of being laughable now.

I don't think it's all doom and gloom though. We've been improving since Brentford! - that was the one that really shocked me. They mangled us. It really just looks the excitement this season might well be the race between us and scumbags for 10th and 11th unfortunately (they're having their spawny points now, it'll soon end, they are shitter than we are whatever their deluded dullards crawling out of the woodwork think) .

I'm more depressed that we have no style or individuality and are looking no closer to anything week on week. I accept the great, high quality, days are gone, probably for good, but I had expected to be able to point at sreategic progress by now.

Nothing's getting sorted. Even the obvious absurdity now of two players standing 3 feet from the goalie at goal kicks - why on earth does any team do that, or passing it back to the keeper, sometimes from near halfway (who should pretty much be our least able distributor if we have the right players in their positions) to hoof 50 yards, or the VDH 20 touches technique, or the always face our own goal and pass backwards (the only first time passes we actually try to make) no matter what is behind them. Some of this is f*cking obvious.

Maybe it is doom and gloom after all. COOPER SORT IT OUT.

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 14:41 - Dec 1 with 2395 viewsjackal

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 14:31 - Dec 1 by swancity

With owners with no ambition and who lack interest in strengthening the team until players leave and only then on the proviso that any dealings show a net profit is anyone really surprised that the results have been poor.
Anything involving a finish of 12th or above will represent a highly satisfactory season whilst the January transfer window remains a concern in terms of some influential players going and not being replaced (adequately)
Meanwhile chaps it won’t take much to be dragged into the bottom half of the table as that is where I see us in the (near) future given the owners desire to cut costs further including high salaries.
Results overall this season have exceeded expectation. There has been talk of the play offs when in reality most of know that the squad isn’t good enough for that in too many areas.
I make no apologies for the seemingly negative comments. It’s called reality.


Agreed.

Before the start of the season I would have taken mid-table.

Still would.

If we did manage the play-offs and fluke a promotion place then we would be in the Prem with that squad because our owners, sure as hell, won't invest. Frightening!
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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 15:20 - Dec 1 with 2339 viewsLord_Bony

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 14:41 - Dec 1 by jackal

Agreed.

Before the start of the season I would have taken mid-table.

Still would.

If we did manage the play-offs and fluke a promotion place then we would be in the Prem with that squad because our owners, sure as hell, won't invest. Frightening!


We d be slaughtered in the Prem with this lot unless they sort out the midfield.

Get used to another season in the championship next year ...no change no gain.

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 15:38 - Dec 1 with 2291 viewsSwanjaxs

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 15:20 - Dec 1 by Lord_Bony

We d be slaughtered in the Prem with this lot unless they sort out the midfield.

Get used to another season in the championship next year ...no change no gain.


The question is what state will the squad be in next season after the next couple of transfer windows?

Worrying times ahead.

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 15:42 - Dec 1 with 2283 viewsBadlands

If we were good enough in August what has changed?
IMO the manager has had time to influence the squad.

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 15:47 - Dec 1 with 2267 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 15:42 - Dec 1 by Badlands

If we were good enough in August what has changed?
IMO the manager has had time to influence the squad.


This.
Was he in fact relying on the feel good factor and improvements that Potter had introduced with the extra bounce of Baston and Ayew?
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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 15:48 - Dec 1 with 2268 viewsBadlands

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 15:47 - Dec 1 by A_Fans_Dad

This.
Was he in fact relying on the feel good factor and improvements that Potter had introduced with the extra bounce of Baston and Ayew?


Exactly.

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 15:56 - Dec 1 with 2258 viewsswancity

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 15:42 - Dec 1 by Badlands

If we were good enough in August what has changed?
IMO the manager has had time to influence the squad.


But they weren’t good enough. Decent enough but no more than that.

You’ve missed the point

But you can certainly factor into the equation injuries eg Rodon and then loss of form eg Celina and the international breaks have stalled momentum on occasions.

Only an idiot would eat a turkey curry on Christmas day

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 17:30 - Dec 1 with 2137 viewsDwightYorkeSuperstar

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 15:42 - Dec 1 by Badlands

If we were good enough in August what has changed?
IMO the manager has had time to influence the squad.


As some pointed out at the time, we were extremely fortunate in many of those matches. Leeds away is a prime example. They absolutely destroyed us. It was like a Conference South side playing away at Old Trafford. We were fortunate they missed chance after chance and our one chance was scuffled into the net.

Other games went the same way. Teams would miss chance after chance and we would steal a result with one of our few chances on goal.

We have been playing very poorly all season. You could argue that first half against Fulham was our best half all season.

I for one feel fortunate we picked up the points we did in the opening two months of the season, as I think we would be battling to avoid the drop otherwise. We are incredibly poor.

We would be comfortably mid table with Joe Allen and Brendan Rodgers
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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 17:37 - Dec 1 with 2130 viewsDarran

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 17:30 - Dec 1 by DwightYorkeSuperstar

As some pointed out at the time, we were extremely fortunate in many of those matches. Leeds away is a prime example. They absolutely destroyed us. It was like a Conference South side playing away at Old Trafford. We were fortunate they missed chance after chance and our one chance was scuffled into the net.

Other games went the same way. Teams would miss chance after chance and we would steal a result with one of our few chances on goal.

We have been playing very poorly all season. You could argue that first half against Fulham was our best half all season.

I for one feel fortunate we picked up the points we did in the opening two months of the season, as I think we would be battling to avoid the drop otherwise. We are incredibly poor.


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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 17:39 - Dec 1 with 2123 viewspembsjack

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 17:37 - Dec 1 by Darran

Does anyone actually disagree with this? ⤴️


Not at all, in all honesty we have played sh"t all season apart from a couple of games. Not sure if Coopers instilled a bit of grit or its pure luck but we have been awful.
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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 17:42 - Dec 1 with 2115 viewsunion_jack

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 17:30 - Dec 1 by DwightYorkeSuperstar

As some pointed out at the time, we were extremely fortunate in many of those matches. Leeds away is a prime example. They absolutely destroyed us. It was like a Conference South side playing away at Old Trafford. We were fortunate they missed chance after chance and our one chance was scuffled into the net.

Other games went the same way. Teams would miss chance after chance and we would steal a result with one of our few chances on goal.

We have been playing very poorly all season. You could argue that first half against Fulham was our best half all season.

I for one feel fortunate we picked up the points we did in the opening two months of the season, as I think we would be battling to avoid the drop otherwise. We are incredibly poor.


Typical negative post from you!!!


But, sadly spot on!!😉. I’d say the Cardiff game was our best but they didn’t turn up all game and could still have left with a point after their point blank shot was saved by Woodman.

I’m glad some are waking up to the fact that Lady Luck has shone on us quite a bit this season.

I was heartened however with our performance Friday but that was against a team who allowed us to play. Most others will try to strangle us and we’ve absolutely no idea how to handle it.

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 17:51 - Dec 1 with 2085 viewsthornabyswan

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 17:39 - Dec 1 by pembsjack

Not at all, in all honesty we have played sh"t all season apart from a couple of games. Not sure if Coopers instilled a bit of grit or its pure luck but we have been awful.


Only team in the EFL still unbeaten away.
So must be doing something right away.

Performances at home have been really poor though

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 18:08 - Dec 1 with 2047 viewssainthelens

I get some of the negativity here, but pinpointing the Fulham game we basically missed an open goal to go 1 up. Their first goal had big elements of luck attached and Peterson had an assist in their winner. Didn't deserve to lose...and therefore performance was better in my eyes. This league is dreadful and can turn round as quickly as its gone against us. Lying 8th around xmas....we'd have taken that in August.
Am not one eyed, just trying to be bit positive amongst the gathering gloom.
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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 18:13 - Dec 1 with 2036 viewsperplex

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 17:37 - Dec 1 by Darran

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Nope, pretty good summary, in fact I find Dwight to be on of the more realistic posters on here.
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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 05:30 - Dec 2 with 1813 viewsdameedna

I think our squad remains a little unbalanced with McBurnie and James leaving and Ayew and Baston not scoring enough goals to date.

André Ayew 6
Borja Bastón 6
Sam Surridge 5

17 total goals from three strikers in 19 games.

Could be worse.

We have three strikers who can score a goal.

Byers has four goals and could have had a few on Friday and of course the keepers saves, a few misses and a point blank save from Surridge.

Not all doom and gloom.

We have the players to score, need them to pick up the pace.
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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 06:16 - Dec 2 with 1799 viewsWhiterockin

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 17:51 - Dec 1 by thornabyswan

Only team in the EFL still unbeaten away.
So must be doing something right away.

Performances at home have been really poor though


It is incredible that we are still unbeaten away, in some of the games we have been played off the park and still managed a result. IMO that statistic is masking the situation, we are an average side at best.
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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 08:31 - Dec 2 with 1738 viewsRiscaJack

Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 14:41 - Dec 1 by jackal

Agreed.

Before the start of the season I would have taken mid-table.

Still would.

If we did manage the play-offs and fluke a promotion place then we would be in the Prem with that squad because our owners, sure as hell, won't invest. Frightening!


Yeah agree with this.

I stupidly/naively got carried away, especially after the Leeds result that we would be genuine competitors so even though where we are is about par for the course, it just feels a bit gloomy at the moment.

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 08:45 - Dec 2 with 1733 viewsCaptain_Sham

It probably makes sobering viewing if you are the kind of person that starts threads confirming promotion in August.
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Its just a ride.

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Looking at the table today makes for some sobering viewing on 08:57 - Dec 2 with 1707 viewsKilkennyjack

Next season sees the last year of parachute payments, and its a lot lower than this year.

Reality.

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