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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? 07:26 - Jun 18 with 3394 viewsdickythorpe

Norwegian and Japanese tankers get allegedly attacked by Iran..........so why don't those nations stand up for themselves?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48642401
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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 08:31 - Jun 18 with 1724 viewstrinityann

Does actually anyone believe these stories anymore, the US is the biggest corrupt empire on the planet struggling to hold onto it's dominance.
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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 08:50 - Jun 18 with 1706 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Yes I believe the photos of burning oil tankers are real. Do you think they are produced by Hollywood?

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 09:05 - Jun 18 with 1691 viewstrinityann

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 08:50 - Jun 18 by felixstowe_jack

Yes I believe the photos of burning oil tankers are real. Do you think they are produced by Hollywood?


False flag
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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 09:16 - Jun 18 with 1679 viewsLord_Bony

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 08:50 - Jun 18 by felixstowe_jack

Yes I believe the photos of burning oil tankers are real. Do you think they are produced by Hollywood?


Yes we can see the tankers burning with our own eyes but where it is the evidence? Trump's advisors would love to go into Iran and confront them in a full-scale military operation.

Iran was complying ok with the wests demands that it's nuclear power station developments be policed.

Then all of the sudden Trump trumps up, along with Israel out of the blue recently they are building a bomb again ... we've heard all this before, the people of Iran are being hit very badly by economic sanctions imposed by America unilaterally without any backing of the West in recent weeks.

This can't be right. At least NATO or the UN security council should have some say before any sanctions are imposed on another country.

This in itself is almost an act of aggression that could potentially lead to war.

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 09:29 - Jun 18 with 1659 viewsBrynCartwright


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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 09:46 - Jun 18 with 1643 viewsNotLoyal

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 08:31 - Jun 18 by trinityann

Does actually anyone believe these stories anymore, the US is the biggest corrupt empire on the planet struggling to hold onto it's dominance.


All empire, old and new and govt are corrupt, thing is what can you do ?
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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 15:54 - Jun 18 with 1518 viewsBrynmill_Jack

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 09:05 - Jun 18 by trinityann

False flag


I wouldn’t be surprised if the CIA sponsored the hit. Why not , they armed Bin Laden’s Mujihadeen, gave covert support to the rebel jihadists in Syria , faked the gulf of Tonkin incident. And more.
As with Syria the West is dying to get to war with Iran.

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 15:56 - Jun 18 with 1513 viewsLeonWasGod

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 09:29 - Jun 18 by BrynCartwright



That's still my point of reference on American diplomacy.

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 16:01 - Jun 18 with 1510 viewsDarran

It’s all about the oil innit. Said every fuçking idiot driving around in a car.

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 16:51 - Jun 18 with 1470 viewshobo

USA are the only suspects
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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 13:48 - Jun 19 with 1284 viewscontroversial_jack

If America controls the Persian gulf and the straights or hormuz, it controls the supply of oil and therefore controls the price.High oil prices are good for the US, as much of the oil is bought in dollars, so they gain by selling dollars. It could backfire, because it would further Push Russia, China, Venezuela to further circumvent the petrodollar.

It's uncertain how Putin would react as they have agreements with Iran.It's a risky venture by the US as Iran won't roll over like Iraq did as they have the backing of Putin and possibly China.
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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 15:51 - Jun 19 with 1238 viewswestwalesed

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 09:16 - Jun 18 by Lord_Bony

Yes we can see the tankers burning with our own eyes but where it is the evidence? Trump's advisors would love to go into Iran and confront them in a full-scale military operation.

Iran was complying ok with the wests demands that it's nuclear power station developments be policed.

Then all of the sudden Trump trumps up, along with Israel out of the blue recently they are building a bomb again ... we've heard all this before, the people of Iran are being hit very badly by economic sanctions imposed by America unilaterally without any backing of the West in recent weeks.

This can't be right. At least NATO or the UN security council should have some say before any sanctions are imposed on another country.

This in itself is almost an act of aggression that could potentially lead to war.

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Not sure Trump is the warmongering maniac he has been painted out to be since Day 1 of his Presidency. If anything, he's an isolationist.

North Korea didn't happen.

Russia hasn't happened.

China hasn't happened.

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 16:09 - Jun 19 with 1230 viewsDarran

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 15:51 - Jun 19 by westwalesed

Not sure Trump is the warmongering maniac he has been painted out to be since Day 1 of his Presidency. If anything, he's an isolationist.

North Korea didn't happen.

Russia hasn't happened.

China hasn't happened.


Ignore Bony he’s been living in a bunker since Trump got elected.

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 22:15 - Jun 19 with 1143 viewsDJack

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 13:48 - Jun 19 by controversial_jack

If America controls the Persian gulf and the straights or hormuz, it controls the supply of oil and therefore controls the price.High oil prices are good for the US, as much of the oil is bought in dollars, so they gain by selling dollars. It could backfire, because it would further Push Russia, China, Venezuela to further circumvent the petrodollar.

It's uncertain how Putin would react as they have agreements with Iran.It's a risky venture by the US as Iran won't roll over like Iraq did as they have the backing of Putin and possibly China.


Incorrect. For some time now the US has been pushing for greater oil production to lower the price thus reducing the revenue of Russia. It was Russia who recently got a cut in worldwide production thus higher prices and more revenue for them. The Yanks are happy selling their shale oil/gas.

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 22:40 - Jun 19 with 1125 viewscontroversial_jack

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 22:15 - Jun 19 by DJack

Incorrect. For some time now the US has been pushing for greater oil production to lower the price thus reducing the revenue of Russia. It was Russia who recently got a cut in worldwide production thus higher prices and more revenue for them. The Yanks are happy selling their shale oil/gas.


Lower oil prices will hit the US revenue just as much as it will Russia. Russia and China would also like to stabilize the economy of Venezuela, who I believe also want to bypass the Petrodollar. It's all about the petrodollar system as Putin wants to destroy it and therefore replace the US as top dog

It's basically a continuation of the great game, but with the US having taken the place of the British empire
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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 22:55 - Jun 19 with 1115 viewsDJack

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 22:40 - Jun 19 by controversial_jack

Lower oil prices will hit the US revenue just as much as it will Russia. Russia and China would also like to stabilize the economy of Venezuela, who I believe also want to bypass the Petrodollar. It's all about the petrodollar system as Putin wants to destroy it and therefore replace the US as top dog

It's basically a continuation of the great game, but with the US having taken the place of the British empire


It won't hit the Yanks half as much as the Russians. I read somewhere (yesterday/this morning) that rusia's GDP is on par with Spain now. They need the cash whilst the Yanks will just print more dollars and sell debt to China.

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 23:03 - Jun 19 with 1107 viewsDarran

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 22:55 - Jun 19 by DJack

It won't hit the Yanks half as much as the Russians. I read somewhere (yesterday/this morning) that rusia's GDP is on par with Spain now. They need the cash whilst the Yanks will just print more dollars and sell debt to China.


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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 23:09 - Jun 19 with 1102 viewsDJack

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 23:03 - Jun 19 by Darran

There’s an unwritten rule on this Forum. Read what controversial_jack says and go the opposite.


(I've been on hear a long time now) Normally I disagree with him but recently, on ocassion, he has posted somethings that I didn't disagree with. Normal service will probably resume soon if not now.

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 23:14 - Jun 19 with 1095 viewscontroversial_jack

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 23:03 - Jun 19 by Darran

There’s an unwritten rule on this Forum. Read what controversial_jack says and go the opposite.


Don't be so bitter Darren, just because my little bit of knowledge learning and research exceeds your's there's no need to be so hostile
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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 23:17 - Jun 19 with 1089 viewsDarran

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 23:14 - Jun 19 by controversial_jack

Don't be so bitter Darren, just because my little bit of knowledge learning and research exceeds your's there's no need to be so hostile


America aren’t going to control the Persian Gulf,America will never control the Persian Gulf.

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 23:18 - Jun 19 with 1086 viewscontroversial_jack

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 22:55 - Jun 19 by DJack

It won't hit the Yanks half as much as the Russians. I read somewhere (yesterday/this morning) that rusia's GDP is on par with Spain now. They need the cash whilst the Yanks will just print more dollars and sell debt to China.


The Russian economy collapsed after the cold war, but not because of Regean and the arms race or rubbish like that, but because of a lack of outside investment into their oil and gas industries, however that has been resolved and they are even technologically more advanced than many countries , just look at the drilling platforms they have erected in the Arctic- far in advance of anything we have.

As for the US printing more dollars, it has devalued the dollar considerably, so quantitative easing is not the answer.
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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 23:21 - Jun 19 with 1082 viewscontroversial_jack

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 23:17 - Jun 19 by Darran

America aren’t going to control the Persian Gulf,America will never control the Persian Gulf.


You are right, Putin won't allow it to happen as they have interests in Iran. The US have tried to regime change in Syria and Venezuela recently and have failed because Russia has stepped in
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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 00:00 - Jun 20 with 1063 viewsDJack

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 23:18 - Jun 19 by controversial_jack

The Russian economy collapsed after the cold war, but not because of Regean and the arms race or rubbish like that, but because of a lack of outside investment into their oil and gas industries, however that has been resolved and they are even technologically more advanced than many countries , just look at the drilling platforms they have erected in the Arctic- far in advance of anything we have.

As for the US printing more dollars, it has devalued the dollar considerably, so quantitative easing is not the answer.


Russia is being bled dry by Putin and the rest of the kleptocrats.

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 00:23 - Jun 20 with 1057 viewsLohengrin

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 00:00 - Jun 20 by DJack

Russia is being bled dry by Putin and the rest of the kleptocrats.


In much the same way working folk are here under the aegis of ‘our democracy,’ or even more cynically, ‘our freedom.’

If you didn’t laugh you’d cry, either way what difference does it make?

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Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 00:43 - Jun 20 with 1040 viewsDJack

Why is Uncle Sam involved here? on 00:23 - Jun 20 by Lohengrin

In much the same way working folk are here under the aegis of ‘our democracy,’ or even more cynically, ‘our freedom.’

If you didn’t laugh you’d cry, either way what difference does it make?


That's a stretch. Povert ain't great antwhere but claiming the non-rich Brits are on par with non-rich Russians is risible.

Also, our democracy is looking quite ropey but it's not a overtly kleptocratic strong-man nationalist state.

As to laughing or crying...yep.

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