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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. 14:21 - Jun 13 with 1670 viewssherpajacob

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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 17:19 - Jun 13 with 597 viewsbluey_the_blue

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 17:14 - Jun 13 by Batterseajack

Weird logic. If extending article 50 is an option, how is there no mandate to use it?


How is it wierd logic?

Parliament approved the invocation of Article 50 where it was clear 29th March, no deal was default exit position. At the point the invocation was passed, there was a mandate to leave under WTO rules if no deal was reached. That's a simple fact.

What happened afterwards screwed things up - those opposing a no deal Brexit could have prevented a lot of the problems by voting against the invocation of Article 50 with the specified conditions. Instead, they voted for it then worked to undermine it.
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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 17:35 - Jun 13 with 574 viewsKilkennyjack

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 17:19 - Jun 13 by bluey_the_blue

How is it wierd logic?

Parliament approved the invocation of Article 50 where it was clear 29th March, no deal was default exit position. At the point the invocation was passed, there was a mandate to leave under WTO rules if no deal was reached. That's a simple fact.

What happened afterwards screwed things up - those opposing a no deal Brexit could have prevented a lot of the problems by voting against the invocation of Article 50 with the specified conditions. Instead, they voted for it then worked to undermine it.


Nobody voted for a no deal brexit.
Indeed 48% did not want any form if Brexit.

There is no mandate for no deal.
Hopefully it brings the government down if they try it.

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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 17:37 - Jun 13 with 572 viewsBatterseajack

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 17:19 - Jun 13 by bluey_the_blue

How is it wierd logic?

Parliament approved the invocation of Article 50 where it was clear 29th March, no deal was default exit position. At the point the invocation was passed, there was a mandate to leave under WTO rules if no deal was reached. That's a simple fact.

What happened afterwards screwed things up - those opposing a no deal Brexit could have prevented a lot of the problems by voting against the invocation of Article 50 with the specified conditions. Instead, they voted for it then worked to undermine it.


"Parliament approved the invocation of Article 50 where it was clear 29th March, no deal was default exit position, unless an extension to is agreed"
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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 17:42 - Jun 13 with 564 viewsHobo_Rodin

....and that's why its bullshit. Who voted for Mario Draghi? The Greek electorate certainly didn't....
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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 18:13 - Jun 13 with 539 viewsJango

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 16:26 - Jun 13 by sherpajacob

Rumour maybe: The political editor of sky news reporting what was said to them by a member of the 1922 committee.

It may not be a true, it is possible a senior tory is lying.

its nothing to do with leave or remain its the minor matter of choosing the next PM.

Strange how those who were most vocal about voting leave because of democracy and sovereignty now seem willing to abandon both.


Or just maybe a journalist is making it up. Or are you completely ruling that out? It has everything to do with leave or remain and you know it.
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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 18:40 - Jun 13 with 517 viewssherpajacob

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 18:13 - Jun 13 by Jango

Or just maybe a journalist is making it up. Or are you completely ruling that out? It has everything to do with leave or remain and you know it.


It's to do with the issue of Johnson's character.

He is a scheming untrustworthy liar. He happened also to be the lead spokesperson for Vote leave.

Are those things connected?

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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 20:08 - Jun 13 with 481 viewssherpajacob

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 17:42 - Jun 13 by Hobo_Rodin

....and that's why its bullshit. Who voted for Mario Draghi? The Greek electorate certainly didn't....


Who voted for Mark Carney?

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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 20:09 - Jun 13 with 472 viewsWarwickHunt

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 16:00 - Jun 13 by Nookiejack

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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 20:42 - Jun 13 with 455 viewsexiledclaseboy

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 17:19 - Jun 13 by bluey_the_blue

How is it wierd logic?

Parliament approved the invocation of Article 50 where it was clear 29th March, no deal was default exit position. At the point the invocation was passed, there was a mandate to leave under WTO rules if no deal was reached. That's a simple fact.

What happened afterwards screwed things up - those opposing a no deal Brexit could have prevented a lot of the problems by voting against the invocation of Article 50 with the specified conditions. Instead, they voted for it then worked to undermine it.


Oh, Bluey. That’s so wrong on almost every conceivable level. Parliament passed an Act giving the PM the power to invoke A50. There was no date in that Act. The decision to invoke A50 on 29 March 2017 was the government’s not parliament’s.

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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 21:36 - Jun 13 with 420 viewsWarwickHunt

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 20:42 - Jun 13 by exiledclaseboy

Oh, Bluey. That’s so wrong on almost every conceivable level. Parliament passed an Act giving the PM the power to invoke A50. There was no date in that Act. The decision to invoke A50 on 29 March 2017 was the government’s not parliament’s.


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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 07:55 - Jun 14 with 336 viewssherpajacob

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 14:42 - Jun 13 by bluey_the_blue

Bet Gove's team briefed Rigby with that.

This could be interesting.


A senior Tory spreading lies and misinformation about a rival candidate to further their own position.

You could be right there Bluey.

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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 08:16 - Jun 14 with 324 viewsfelixstowe_jack

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 15:41 - Jun 13 by LeonWasGod

Such a lame argument. It's called indirect democracy. We vote people in to make decisions on our behalf, including nominating our Commissioners to the EU.


The voters do not elect the commissioners they are appointed one by each eu country.

At least cabinet members are MPs who were voted into parliament.
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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 08:55 - Jun 14 with 296 viewsWarwickHunt

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 08:16 - Jun 14 by felixstowe_jack

The voters do not elect the commissioners they are appointed one by each eu country.

At least cabinet members are MPs who were voted into parliament.
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But not into the Cabinet, so your point doesn’t really stand up...
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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 09:11 - Jun 14 with 284 viewsLeonWasGod

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 08:16 - Jun 14 by felixstowe_jack

The voters do not elect the commissioners they are appointed one by each eu country.

At least cabinet members are MPs who were voted into parliament.
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I know. Bt they are selected by the people we elect to do these things. Do we really want direct democracy on every decision?

We're not getting to have a say in the new PM who will be taking this country in god knows what direction. We don't get to elect the queen who can grant or withhold Royal Assent on legislation and could in theory pick the PM, we don't get to appoint people directly to the Privy Council, we don't get to appoint the Lords, we don't get to select the First Minister in the Assembly, etc., etc., etc.
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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 09:41 - Jun 14 with 272 viewsJoe_bradshaw

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 08:16 - Jun 14 by felixstowe_jack

The voters do not elect the commissioners they are appointed one by each eu country.

At least cabinet members are MPs who were voted into parliament.
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Cabinet members are either MPs or members of the house of lords.

Peter Mandelson was neither when he was appointed mister for business in 2008. The mistake was noticed and within 10 days he was granted a peerage.

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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 09:43 - Jun 14 with 271 viewsHighjack

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 09:41 - Jun 14 by Joe_bradshaw

Cabinet members are either MPs or members of the house of lords.

Peter Mandelson was neither when he was appointed mister for business in 2008. The mistake was noticed and within 10 days he was granted a peerage.


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The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 13:46 - Jun 14 with 206 viewsLeonWasGod

The end of democracy in the UK just got a lot closer. on 09:41 - Jun 14 by Joe_bradshaw

Cabinet members are either MPs or members of the house of lords.

Peter Mandelson was neither when he was appointed mister for business in 2008. The mistake was noticed and within 10 days he was granted a peerage.


I'm sure it was just a little oversight

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