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Nationality 12:55 - Jun 25 with 4579 viewsTreforys_Jack

This is a genuine post not a wind up to get the usual suspects in a never ending cycle of who's right and wrong. I've been doing my family history over the last few months as aside from my parents and 1 grandparent I had no real idea where they all came from. It turns out 3 of my 4 grandparents were born in England. Bit of a surprise to be completely honest. So is it where you are born or the roots of your blood as it were. Legally it's where you're born I know but deep down , I'm not so sure. C'mon Ingerlund lol.
In all seriousness family history is fascinating , I'm back to 1781 on one side and 1848 on the other. Mind boggling and addictive. Anyone else had a go at their ancestry.
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Nationality on 13:18 - Jun 25 with 2386 viewstheloneranger

I've been doing my family history and like you 3 out of 4 grandparents were born in England.

7 out of 8 great grandparents were born in England and even further back there's a Spanish grandmother x4

As you say it's really fascinating, and I'm stuck in the early 1600's at the mo πŸ˜‚
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Nationality on 13:24 - Jun 25 with 2376 viewsTreforys_Jack

Nationality on 13:18 - Jun 25 by theloneranger

I've been doing my family history and like you 3 out of 4 grandparents were born in England.

7 out of 8 great grandparents were born in England and even further back there's a Spanish grandmother x4

As you say it's really fascinating, and I'm stuck in the early 1600's at the mo πŸ˜‚


Yes 7 out of 8 for me to, really addictive, driving Mrs Treforys mad.
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Nationality on 13:33 - Jun 25 with 2354 viewsJackfath

I have but you have continually been abusive toward me over the years so there we go.

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Nationality on 13:48 - Jun 25 with 2347 viewsProfessor

So from a genetic point of view:

If a dog is born in a stable, is it a horse?
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Nationality on 13:55 - Jun 25 with 2338 viewsmax936

Nationality on 13:48 - Jun 25 by Professor

So from a genetic point of view:

If a dog is born in a stable, is it a horse?


Well Its got 4 legs and a tail if that helps

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Nationality on 14:03 - Jun 25 with 2325 viewsMrSwansea

Nationality on 13:48 - Jun 25 by Professor

So from a genetic point of view:

If a dog is born in a stable, is it a horse?


No it isnt. That isn't the question though. If a dog was born in England is the question.

Arseholes. The lot of you.
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Nationality on 14:07 - Jun 25 with 2317 viewsHighjack

Nationality on 13:48 - Jun 25 by Professor

So from a genetic point of view:

If a dog is born in a stable, is it a horse?


It should be able to identify as a horse if it wants to you transpeciesaphobe.
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The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Nationality on 14:18 - Jun 25 with 2302 viewsTreforys_Jack

Nationality on 13:33 - Jun 25 by Jackfath

I have but you have continually been abusive toward me over the years so there we go.


Don't think I've been abusive to anyone on here, not in my nature, if I had I'm sure I'd have apologised if I was wrong.
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Nationality on 14:24 - Jun 25 with 2285 viewsProfessor

Nationality on 14:07 - Jun 25 by Highjack

It should be able to identify as a horse if it wants to you transpeciesaphobe.
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No such thing!
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Nationality on 14:25 - Jun 25 with 2282 viewsProfessor

So from an epigenetic viewpoint:


If a dog is born in a stable but develops hooves and a mane is is a dog?
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Nationality on 14:25 - Jun 25 with 2282 viewsE20Jack

Nationality on 13:48 - Jun 25 by Professor

So from a genetic point of view:

If a dog is born in a stable, is it a horse?


Species and nationality are not the same thing.

If a dog was born in a stable in England then there are grounds to call it an English dog. If a Horse was born in a French pig sty there is grounds to call it a French horse. It’s a geographical question not an architectural one.

It would have a far greater impact if you said β€œso if your family were on holiday in China and your mother gave birth to you, would you consider yourself Chinese?”.

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Nationality on 14:32 - Jun 25 with 2263 viewsHighjack

If a rabbit eats meat is it still a herbivore?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Nationality on 14:48 - Jun 25 with 2239 viewsE20Jack

Nationality on 14:32 - Jun 25 by Highjack

If a rabbit eats meat is it still a herbivore?


Biologically yes.

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Nationality on 15:49 - Jun 25 with 2175 viewsSwanjaxs

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Nationality on 16:02 - Jun 25 with 2154 viewsTreforys_Jack

😁😁😁😁😁😁😁 knew u would.
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Nationality on 16:11 - Jun 25 with 2134 viewsJoe_bradshaw

I think it's what you feel deep down that matters. I have both English and Scottish blood (as well as Welsh) going back far enough but I was born in Wales, have always lived in Wales. and couldn't feel more Welsh.

I know a family in which the two sons have a Welsh mother and an English father. One son represents Wales at sport and the other represents England. They were both born and live in England but the one has always felt Welsh from the mother's side of the family from a very young age.

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Nationality on 16:12 - Jun 25 with 2128 viewsBadlands

Depends on the circumstances.
A rugby player can be Welsh if they lived here a few years. Also, to recognise the fact we (well some of us) no longer remain in our hovels for generation after generation.
As children of recent immigrant find out being born in a country is no guarantee of being a resident.
Many Palestinians are stateless or 'refugee of Palestine three generations on from leaving.
To some you are not from a country if you are the wrong colour, surname, religion or anything else they can think of to bar you from their gang.
Whatever the individual thinks, it is the state that decides what you are.
I consider myself Welsh and a Citizen of Europe.
Yet next year I am likely to be reminded Wales doesn't exist and I am no longer a citizen but a subject of Queen and historic concept.

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Nationality on 16:24 - Jun 25 with 2101 viewsLohengrin

Nationality is a blood construct conferred by ancestry not geographical happenstance of birth or paperwork.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Nationality on 16:26 - Jun 25 with 2098 viewsBadlands

Nationality on 16:24 - Jun 25 by Lohengrin

Nationality is a blood construct conferred by ancestry not geographical happenstance of birth or paperwork.


Neitche and Adolf would be proud of that horse cokc.
It would also mean we are all African.
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Nationality on 16:32 - Jun 25 with 2080 viewsLohengrin

Nationality on 16:26 - Jun 25 by Badlands

Neitche and Adolf would be proud of that horse cokc.
It would also mean we are all African.
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Try moving to the Carolinas for eighteen months then telling everybody you β€˜feel’ Cherokee. They’ll look at you as if you’re simple...

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Nationality on 16:45 - Jun 25 with 2062 viewsowainglyndwr

Mothers side North Wallians and fathers side Scottish and Irish.
Scots and Irish married into the Welsh family
And here we are now down south Wales
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Nationality on 17:52 - Jun 25 with 1972 viewsmoonie

Usual suspects ?


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I'm a mongrel having Irish ,Welsh blood.

Wife is English born with Welsh blood

More important as to who you are . Nationality just for passports
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Nationality on 17:58 - Jun 25 with 1965 viewsJoe_bradshaw

We’re all mongrels.

Here’s one, his name is Tramp but his mates call him Trampie.


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Nationality on 18:03 - Jun 25 with 1941 viewsJackfath

Nationality on 14:18 - Jun 25 by Treforys_Jack

Don't think I've been abusive to anyone on here, not in my nature, if I had I'm sure I'd have apologised if I was wrong.


If I've mistaken you for another poster, I apologise most sincerely.

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Nationality on 18:26 - Jun 25 with 1925 viewsmoonie

Possibly but my old fella traced his roots back and he was utterly Welsh ,my ma had Irish in her . It's probably where I can my cockists from.

She was nuts but loved her to bits . She d squabble with anyone at a moments notice
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