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The Countdown begins 23:28 - Nov 10 with 645960 viewspikeypaul



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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:21 - Dec 11 with 911 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 10:17 - Dec 11 by trampie

The Brexit referendum took place 2 years ago [cant be arsed to check the exact date] without anyone knowing what the deal on the table was going to be, 2 weeks ago [cant be arsed to check the exact date] the deal became known.


That is why many people think there should be a peoples vote.


Not rocket science is it, tramp? Seems fairly easy to grasp to me.

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The Countdown begins. on 19:27 - Dec 11 with 898 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 16:25 - Dec 11 by Catullus

Except that deal contains a clause that could see us never being allowed to leave.

Who in their right mind on either side would accept that deal?


“Except that deal contains a clause that could see us never being allowed to leave.”

No it doesn’t ffs. If that deal is ratified we will officially, legally and unequivocally leave the EU on 29 March 2019.

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The Countdown begins. on 19:34 - Dec 11 with 884 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 19:21 - Dec 11 by exiledclaseboy

Not rocket science is it, tramp? Seems fairly easy to grasp to me.


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The Countdown begins. on 20:31 - Dec 11 with 851 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 19:27 - Dec 11 by exiledclaseboy

“Except that deal contains a clause that could see us never being allowed to leave.”

No it doesn’t ffs. If that deal is ratified we will officially, legally and unequivocally leave the EU on 29 March 2019.


Umm, nope. The deal has the clause that keeps us in the Customs Union until the EU 27 unanimouisly agree we can leave. That means we have to obey all EU rules and regs until we have fully left. We will have no say in new rules, no MEP's, no representation but we are effectively still in the EU's control.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-what-is-theresa-may-d

We are still closely tied to the EU until the backstop is settled.

Not that it matters because the deal is falling apart.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 20:54 - Dec 11 with 837 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 20:31 - Dec 11 by Catullus

Umm, nope. The deal has the clause that keeps us in the Customs Union until the EU 27 unanimouisly agree we can leave. That means we have to obey all EU rules and regs until we have fully left. We will have no say in new rules, no MEP's, no representation but we are effectively still in the EU's control.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-what-is-theresa-may-d

We are still closely tied to the EU until the backstop is settled.

Not that it matters because the deal is falling apart.


I’ll add that to the list of things you can’t quite grasp. Even whe you provide links disproving your own point. If the deal is ratified we will not be members of the EU. Fact.

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The Countdown begins. on 21:14 - Dec 11 with 797 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 20:54 - Dec 11 by exiledclaseboy

I’ll add that to the list of things you can’t quite grasp. Even whe you provide links disproving your own point. If the deal is ratified we will not be members of the EU. Fact.


Not members of the Eu but stilol in the customs union and single market, unable to negotiate our own trade deals until we are allowed to leave which we cannot do until all the EU 27 unanimously agree that we can.

You can call it leaving but it wouldn't be. Even worse, by legally signing over our right to decide we give away any remaining sovereignty of Parliament because, yes, parliament wouldn't have the last say.

You call it leaving if you want but it's akin to getting on an aircraft that never takes off. If this deal was ratified you couldn't even argue that Parliament still had the last word and you say I'm failing to grasp this?

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The Countdown begins. on 21:22 - Dec 11 with 787 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 21:14 - Dec 11 by Catullus

Not members of the Eu but stilol in the customs union and single market, unable to negotiate our own trade deals until we are allowed to leave which we cannot do until all the EU 27 unanimously agree that we can.

You can call it leaving but it wouldn't be. Even worse, by legally signing over our right to decide we give away any remaining sovereignty of Parliament because, yes, parliament wouldn't have the last say.

You call it leaving if you want but it's akin to getting on an aircraft that never takes off. If this deal was ratified you couldn't even argue that Parliament still had the last word and you say I'm failing to grasp this?


The backstop wouldn’t be much of an insurance policy if the U.K. can just bin it at any point. Surely for it to end, both parties need to agree first?
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The Countdown begins. on 21:32 - Dec 11 with 773 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 21:22 - Dec 11 by Batterseajack

The backstop wouldn’t be much of an insurance policy if the U.K. can just bin it at any point. Surely for it to end, both parties need to agree first?


Truth is, the EU needs the backstop to protect its trade interests when there’s no border between it and a non-member state and the U.K. needs it because we can’t have a hard border in Ireland. Both sides need it, that’s why it’s there amd that’s why it’s not going anywhere.

Probably best just to forget the whole thing and stay in the EU.

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The Countdown begins. on 21:36 - Dec 11 with 769 viewsNeathJack

The Countdown begins. on 21:32 - Dec 11 by exiledclaseboy

Truth is, the EU needs the backstop to protect its trade interests when there’s no border between it and a non-member state and the U.K. needs it because we can’t have a hard border in Ireland. Both sides need it, that’s why it’s there amd that’s why it’s not going anywhere.

Probably best just to forget the whole thing and stay in the EU.


Or invade and annex Ireland.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:48 - Dec 11 with 758 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 21:22 - Dec 11 by Batterseajack

The backstop wouldn’t be much of an insurance policy if the U.K. can just bin it at any point. Surely for it to end, both parties need to agree first?


Theoretically yes but as all the EU 27 have to unanimously agree and Spain and France have already been sabre rattling (about Gibraltar and fishing rights) we would have put ourself in a ridiculos position. Maybe if they'd said QMV would be the decider it would have been more acceptable but we could have found ourself tied to the Customs union with no right to leave, no A50 to fall back on.

Who in their right minds signs up to a deal where you give up your right to leave?

I can't believe May still rules out another vote, she's put herself in an impossible position. I didn't think she could make it worse but she has.
I do wonder why, if Merkel isn't in charge she was the first to say the deal cannot be changed? Juncker has backed that up.
Now it looks like a no confidence vote will happen, that leadership challenge is looming large,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2018/dec/11/brexit-deal-latest-theresa

The fatalist in me is trying to argue that this is a good thing, let all the monsters in the swamp either devour or destroy each other. Maybe it will trigger the kind of real change we need. One thing for certain though, change is coming even if it results in Trampies wet dream of the union breaking up.

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The Countdown begins. on 22:04 - Dec 11 with 735 viewsexiledclaseboy

I don’t see the point in changing the Tory leader. The parliament numbers stay the same and the deal ain’t changing no matter who’s in charge. A hard Brexit lunatic trying to march us out with no deal wouldn’t last five minutes and would split the Tory party asunder.

This could be fun.

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The Countdown begins. on 22:14 - Dec 11 with 727 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 21:36 - Dec 11 by NeathJack

Or invade and annex Ireland.


I think thats been tried before mind.

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The Countdown begins. on 22:47 - Dec 11 with 687 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 22:04 - Dec 11 by exiledclaseboy

I don’t see the point in changing the Tory leader. The parliament numbers stay the same and the deal ain’t changing no matter who’s in charge. A hard Brexit lunatic trying to march us out with no deal wouldn’t last five minutes and would split the Tory party asunder.

This could be fun.


A Brextreemist becoming the next leader of the Tory Party and splitting the nasty party is surely the point?

Edit: Sounds like the 48 letters have been received. Unless Pikey is doing the counting in which case all bets are off.
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The Countdown begins. on 23:41 - Dec 11 with 649 viewstrampie


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The Countdown begins. on 00:02 - Dec 12 with 643 viewsBytholWyn

The Countdown begins. on 18:35 - Dec 11 by sherpajacob

No,

the clue is in the title, its a withdrawal agreement with the EU.

We will have left. Just not on the terms some/many people wanted.

But no terms were set out on the ballot paper. so nobody can say it isn't what they voted for. The only thing on the ballot paper was leave or remain.

When leavers say it isn't what they voted for, they really mean it isn't what they thought they voted for. Many people thought leaving meant many different things.


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The Countdown begins. on 07:17 - Dec 12 with 570 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 21:14 - Dec 11 by Catullus

Not members of the Eu but stilol in the customs union and single market, unable to negotiate our own trade deals until we are allowed to leave which we cannot do until all the EU 27 unanimously agree that we can.

You can call it leaving but it wouldn't be. Even worse, by legally signing over our right to decide we give away any remaining sovereignty of Parliament because, yes, parliament wouldn't have the last say.

You call it leaving if you want but it's akin to getting on an aircraft that never takes off. If this deal was ratified you couldn't even argue that Parliament still had the last word and you say I'm failing to grasp this?


You’d be claiming that the EU was undemocratic if the other EU members didn’t sign off the end of the backstop arrangement.

There’s no time limit for the end of the backstop, so how should you mark the end without all parties agree to it?
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The Countdown begins. on 08:20 - Dec 12 with 554 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 09:04 - Dec 12 with 529 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 07:17 - Dec 12 by Batterseajack

You’d be claiming that the EU was undemocratic if the other EU members didn’t sign off the end of the backstop arrangement.

There’s no time limit for the end of the backstop, so how should you mark the end without all parties agree to it?
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Actually now you point it out it is undemocratic because the majority can agree we can leave but that can all be stopped by just one dissenting voice.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:11 - Dec 12 with 525 viewsShaky


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The Countdown begins. on 09:24 - Dec 12 with 508 viewsJango

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If they had demanded a second vote before she actually became prime minister he may have a point. They didn’t, so he’s talking wet, as usual.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:33 - Dec 12 with 496 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 09:24 - Dec 12 by Jango

If they had demanded a second vote before she actually became prime minister he may have a point. They didn’t, so he’s talking wet, as usual.
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Don't be such a baby.

Practically everybody can agree politicians of all flavours are serial liars. But here we are expected to interpret the once in a generation promise as a solemn blood oath that must never be broken?

Especially when Farage himself is on the record saying he would not respect a 52/48% vote.

The country is staring disaster in the face but there is time and opportunity to avert it.

Please grow up.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:35 - Dec 12 with 492 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 09:33 - Dec 12 by Shaky

Don't be such a baby.

Practically everybody can agree politicians of all flavours are serial liars. But here we are expected to interpret the once in a generation promise as a solemn blood oath that must never be broken?

Especially when Farage himself is on the record saying he would not respect a 52/48% vote.

The country is staring disaster in the face but there is time and opportunity to avert it.

Please grow up.


I’m not the one quoting immature tweets you clown. 17.4m people voted for something that hasn’t been implemented yet, you grow up and accept it.

And what Farage said is irrelevant, he could have fought for another 20 years and wouldn’t have got another referendum. And everytime you seen him campaigning you would have laughed at how pathetic he was being.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:41 - Dec 12 with 481 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 09:35 - Dec 12 by Jango

I’m not the one quoting immature tweets you clown. 17.4m people voted for something that hasn’t been implemented yet, you grow up and accept it.

And what Farage said is irrelevant, he could have fought for another 20 years and wouldn’t have got another referendum. And everytime you seen him campaigning you would have laughed at how pathetic he was being.
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People voted for slogans like take back control.

Happily events have now demonstrated that parliament was always in control and the fearmongering was bollocks.

Many other referendum promises collapsed on day 1 like the £350m/week for the NHS.

Time for the charlatans and morons who made those false claims to crawl back under their rocks, and for the hardcore Europhobes to once more be consigned to the fringe loony segment of the political spectrum.
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