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The Countdown begins. 23:28 - Nov 10 with 501469 viewspikeypaul



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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 20:48 - Dec 9 with 628 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 20:45 - Dec 9 by bluey_the_blue

Agree on your first point.

Second point, bollocks. When we were told there would need to be an immediate emergency budget on a leave vote - which never happened - it's apparent you want to conveniently ignore some lies.

Cameron's position was untenable - he staked his job on delivering a Remain vote, on having some concessions from EU in "that" deal which was immediately mocked by EU leaders.

I give credit to May for her stickability but I believe she's half-heartedly worked towards negotiating the withdrawal deal. I doubt she'd shed a tear if the whole thing collapsed and we remained. Her decision making has been questionable, ran one of the worst Tory election campaigns ever. Whatever happens, she'll be ousted before next election.

Clueless and clueless? Depends how hamstrung they were; if negotiations were undercut by Robbins as some allude to.

Agree on Bridgen and especially Dorries. It's fashionable to bash JRG, he's a lot smarter than most give him credit for.


Do you mean JRM?

In which case. No. No he’s not. He’s a LOT stupider than people give him credit for. He’s just got a posh voice. And for reasons unknown, a lot are still taken in by that.
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The Countdown begins. on 20:52 - Dec 9 with 618 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 16:58 - Dec 9 by Jango

Or maybe they both believed they could get get the PM to shift on her stance but then realised they were pi***ng in the wind. There’s a reason why so many have quit and it’s not because they all have leadership ambitions.


It’s something to do with them being as thick as pig shit . Diane Abbottesque in their feckwiterry. Which is probably why May gave the the jobs so they could make fools of themselves.
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The Countdown begins. on 20:57 - Dec 9 with 596 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 19:36 - Dec 9 by exiledclaseboy

May set her own red lines. Unachievable as they were. No one has shut down no deal. Indeed, it’s the default option unless the law changes. Doesn’t stop it being a really stupid idea mind.


But it was obviously the people who weren’t negotiating who were responsible for the incompetent negotiations. Do keep up, mun.

Not forgetting May’s cunning masterplan to deliver remaining in the EU all along.

*taps nose, adjusts tinfoil hat*
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The Countdown begins. on 21:11 - Dec 9 with 574 viewsHumpty

The Countdown begins. on 20:45 - Dec 9 by bluey_the_blue

Agree on your first point.

Second point, bollocks. When we were told there would need to be an immediate emergency budget on a leave vote - which never happened - it's apparent you want to conveniently ignore some lies.

Cameron's position was untenable - he staked his job on delivering a Remain vote, on having some concessions from EU in "that" deal which was immediately mocked by EU leaders.

I give credit to May for her stickability but I believe she's half-heartedly worked towards negotiating the withdrawal deal. I doubt she'd shed a tear if the whole thing collapsed and we remained. Her decision making has been questionable, ran one of the worst Tory election campaigns ever. Whatever happens, she'll be ousted before next election.

Clueless and clueless? Depends how hamstrung they were; if negotiations were undercut by Robbins as some allude to.

Agree on Bridgen and especially Dorries. It's fashionable to bash JRG, he's a lot smarter than most give him credit for.


You seem unsure about whether Davis and Raab were clueless.

How could the Berlin/Brussels tweet by Davis lead you to think he is anything other than clueless?
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The Countdown begins. on 21:16 - Dec 9 with 562 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 21:11 - Dec 9 by Humpty

You seem unsure about whether Davis and Raab were clueless.

How could the Berlin/Brussels tweet by Davis lead you to think he is anything other than clueless?


And Raab hadn’t realised how important the port of Dover is. Because obviously he hadn’t.

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The Countdown begins. on 21:16 - Dec 9 with 562 viewsHumpty

The Countdown begins. on 20:45 - Dec 9 by londonlisa2001

It wasn’t taken off the table until this week. May said on countless occasions that a second referendum was out of the question and also said on countless occasions that no deal was better than a bad deal.

They’ve called our bluff. As they were always in a far stronger position than us. As was said at the time and dismissed as project fear. You seem to think they should be ‘fair’ to us. But why? It’s us that wants to leave.
The issue is that those saying stuff like ‘the Germans won’t accept it’, or ‘they need us more than we need them’ have been comprehensively disproved. And we are where we are. Nowhere else left to turn.

We’ll end up staying or with a Norway type model (whatever it’s called - single market, free movement, customs union, no vote). They win. As was always going to be the case.


According to leavers the fact that they were utterly wrong about Germany needing us more than we need them actually shows that they were right all along, as the Europeans are just being nasty and who want's to be in a club where people are nasty to you.

F*cking laughable.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:16 - Dec 9 with 558 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 21:11 - Dec 9 by Humpty

You seem unsure about whether Davis and Raab were clueless.

How could the Berlin/Brussels tweet by Davis lead you to think he is anything other than clueless?


His Berlin point was pertinent given when we go, Germany's economy is even more critical to the EU project; hence they carry more weight within the EU - forget this "all equal" garbage.

Suggest things to Germany they may be amenable to, makes the negotiating position better.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:17 - Dec 9 with 557 viewsHumpty

The Countdown begins. on 21:16 - Dec 9 by exiledclaseboy

And Raab hadn’t realised how important the port of Dover is. Because obviously he hadn’t.


Doesn't mean he's clueless though.

Bluey is going to explain it to us.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:19 - Dec 9 with 547 viewslondonlisa2001

The Countdown begins. on 21:16 - Dec 9 by bluey_the_blue

His Berlin point was pertinent given when we go, Germany's economy is even more critical to the EU project; hence they carry more weight within the EU - forget this "all equal" garbage.

Suggest things to Germany they may be amenable to, makes the negotiating position better.


Germany have said they will only deal with us through the EU Bluey.

Of course they’re not equal. It’s just that the ones that are more equal than the others don’t want to deal with us unilaterally.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:19 - Dec 9 with 548 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 21:17 - Dec 9 by Humpty

Doesn't mean he's clueless though.

Bluey is going to explain it to us.


Grow up, Humpty.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:21 - Dec 9 with 544 viewsHumpty

The Countdown begins. on 21:19 - Dec 9 by bluey_the_blue

Grow up, Humpty.


Stop talking utter bollocks then.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:25 - Dec 9 with 538 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 21:21 - Dec 9 by Humpty

Stop talking utter bollocks then.


Pot, kettle, absence of reflected light.

May's deal is a bad deal which doesn't deliver leaving the EU. I've little doubt a scenario will end up occurring where backstop is invoked, which then remains in place indefinitely. It's a half and half deal which pleases nobody, hence the mass opposition across the political spectrum.

If that's the best deal that could be got, that no further negotiations can continue then the only alternative is a no deal Brexit.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:27 - Dec 9 with 527 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 21:25 - Dec 9 by bluey_the_blue

Pot, kettle, absence of reflected light.

May's deal is a bad deal which doesn't deliver leaving the EU. I've little doubt a scenario will end up occurring where backstop is invoked, which then remains in place indefinitely. It's a half and half deal which pleases nobody, hence the mass opposition across the political spectrum.

If that's the best deal that could be got, that no further negotiations can continue then the only alternative is a no deal Brexit.


There’s two things there that are factually incorrect.

May’s deal is laughably crap but does deliver leaving the EU.

A no deal Brexit is not the only alternative.

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The Countdown begins. on 21:33 - Dec 9 with 520 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 21:27 - Dec 9 by exiledclaseboy

There’s two things there that are factually incorrect.

May’s deal is laughably crap but does deliver leaving the EU.

A no deal Brexit is not the only alternative.


Leaving EU, whilst having indefinite backstop?

No deal is the only alternative for leaving to May's deal if it is in fact the case EU will not negotiate May's deal any further. In that instance, the options are May's deal, no deal or Remain.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:51 - Dec 9 with 489 viewsmajorraglan

The Countdown begins. on 21:16 - Dec 9 by bluey_the_blue

His Berlin point was pertinent given when we go, Germany's economy is even more critical to the EU project; hence they carry more weight within the EU - forget this "all equal" garbage.

Suggest things to Germany they may be amenable to, makes the negotiating position better.


Germany are the biggest player in the EU, but they appear to have “held the line” and insisted that the negotiation was done via the EU which has led us to where we are today.

The EU were never going to make it easy, why would they? If they allowed us to crash out whilst retaining a lot of the benefits then there would be no incentive for other countries to remain, their budget contributions would decrease and the EU would unravel. It was never going to be easy, anybody who thought it would be is deluded. Some of the comments from government ministers beggars belief, Fox and Davies to name 2.

If TM calls an election and Corbyn doesn’t win, then he is toast.
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The Countdown begins. on 22:05 - Dec 9 with 471 viewsmajorraglan

The Countdown begins. on 21:27 - Dec 9 by exiledclaseboy

There’s two things there that are factually incorrect.

May’s deal is laughably crap but does deliver leaving the EU.

A no deal Brexit is not the only alternative.


May’s deal will deliver on the EU exit, it will also deliver what I suspect a lot of people wanted which is “control of our borders” and a reduction in immigration and I honestly believe this was the driver for a lot of people. The fact is that a signifcant proportion of immigration is non EU and could have been controlled from within the EU.

I think TM wants to maintain access for our manufacturing industries, because if she can’t a lot of them will relocate to the EU and will result in the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs.
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The Countdown begins. on 22:12 - Dec 9 with 468 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 21:16 - Dec 9 by bluey_the_blue

His Berlin point was pertinent given when we go, Germany's economy is even more critical to the EU project; hence they carry more weight within the EU - forget this "all equal" garbage.

Suggest things to Germany they may be amenable to, makes the negotiating position better.


Bluey is still holding out for the German car industry to force an EU deal.

They seem to be leaving it rather late.

Tomorrow it looks like Theresa will revert to the only strategy she knows,

"I know I'm shite, but Jeremy Corbyn!"
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The Countdown begins. on 22:24 - Dec 9 with 453 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 21:25 - Dec 9 by bluey_the_blue

Pot, kettle, absence of reflected light.

May's deal is a bad deal which doesn't deliver leaving the EU. I've little doubt a scenario will end up occurring where backstop is invoked, which then remains in place indefinitely. It's a half and half deal which pleases nobody, hence the mass opposition across the political spectrum.

If that's the best deal that could be got, that no further negotiations can continue then the only alternative is a no deal Brexit.


How do you define leaving the EU?

This gets to the root of the whole stupid fiasco in the first place.

That professor Dougan from Liverpool nailed it all before the referendum. For those that did their research.

We could leave with a Norway / Switzerland or even Canada type option, which is pointless, we may as well remain. ( I actually see little difference between May's deal and the Norway option many seem keen on)

we could leave completely - which would be disastrous.

or we could remain.

so all in all the best / only sensible option is to remain,

Most MPs and Cameron knew this in 2015, so why have a referendum on it?

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The Countdown begins. on 22:32 - Dec 9 with 440 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 20:45 - Dec 9 by bluey_the_blue

Agree on your first point.

Second point, bollocks. When we were told there would need to be an immediate emergency budget on a leave vote - which never happened - it's apparent you want to conveniently ignore some lies.

Cameron's position was untenable - he staked his job on delivering a Remain vote, on having some concessions from EU in "that" deal which was immediately mocked by EU leaders.

I give credit to May for her stickability but I believe she's half-heartedly worked towards negotiating the withdrawal deal. I doubt she'd shed a tear if the whole thing collapsed and we remained. Her decision making has been questionable, ran one of the worst Tory election campaigns ever. Whatever happens, she'll be ousted before next election.

Clueless and clueless? Depends how hamstrung they were; if negotiations were undercut by Robbins as some allude to.

Agree on Bridgen and especially Dorries. It's fashionable to bash JRG, he's a lot smarter than most give him credit for.


" she'll be ousted before next election. "

OK Bluey, give us all a laugh, who is your choice as next Tory leader?

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The Countdown begins. on 23:09 - Dec 9 with 412 viewsScottishEddie

Pikeys quiet?

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The Countdown begins. on 00:29 - Dec 10 with 367 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 23:09 - Dec 9 by ScottishEddie

Pikeys quiet?




The bloke in charge of WTO, says WTO is crap.

Well done feckwits.

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The Countdown begins. on 05:19 - Dec 10 with 325 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 06:54 - Dec 10 with 298 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 00:29 - Dec 10 by Kilkennyjack



The bloke in charge of WTO, says WTO is crap.

Well done feckwits.


He’s not in charge of the WTO. He’s also been the EU commissioner for trade. Feckwit. What possible reason could he have to talk a no deal down eh?

He was seen as ruling Delors' office with a "rod of iron", with no-one able to bypass or manipulate him and those who tried being "banished to one of the less pleasant European postings".

Sounds familiar.
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The Countdown begins. on 08:15 - Dec 10 with 268 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 06:54 - Dec 10 by Jango

He’s not in charge of the WTO. He’s also been the EU commissioner for trade. Feckwit. What possible reason could he have to talk a no deal down eh?

He was seen as ruling Delors' office with a "rod of iron", with no-one able to bypass or manipulate him and those who tried being "banished to one of the less pleasant European postings".

Sounds familiar.
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Quite right. What do officials who’ve been in directly relevant roles know compared to Brexit Brian down the pub?
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The Countdown begins. on 08:19 - Dec 10 with 262 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 08:15 - Dec 10 by LeonWasGod

Quite right. What do officials who’ve been in directly relevant roles know compared to Brexit Brian down the pub?


You’ll agree with this then?

Romano Prodi, the Italian who served as president of the EU Commission until 2004, said Saturday that if the British parliament rejects Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit deal next week, the EU will have to come back to the negotiating table.

“We must keep free trade between us because it is in the British interests and European interest,” said Prodi in an interview with The Observer, adding that the two sides could reach a compromise on the thorny issue of the Irish border in order to clinch a deal that could appeal to British lawmakers.


Because you remainers seem convinced we won’t get anymore out of the EU.

What do officials who have been in direct relevant roles know compared remainer Raymond down the local bistro.
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